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		<title>By: Stuart</title>
		<link>http://www.churchtechy.com/2008/06/internet-policy/comment-page-1/#comment-109</link>
		<dc:creator>Stuart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 20:22:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neil - have left your comment here for all to see but have responded via email. If anybody else also has any specific advice for Neil then please send them direct to me and I&#039;ll forward them on.

At Neil&#039;s ok I will pass on his email address to any that may want to assist as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neil &#8211; have left your comment here for all to see but have responded via email. If anybody else also has any specific advice for Neil then please send them direct to me and I&#8217;ll forward them on.</p>
<p>At Neil&#8217;s ok I will pass on his email address to any that may want to assist as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil</title>
		<link>http://www.churchtechy.com/2008/06/internet-policy/comment-page-1/#comment-108</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 12:18:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had a meeting last night with a decon(and ex cop) of my church another guy who has knowledge network systems and internet, an older guy about 75 has no idea of networking and internet but made sure he had his say and one other guy who just kept quiet, and myself I have a decent amount of knowledge not loads so help would be great.

Now the problem I have is that the decon (the cop) is very legal and looks into things to much, and we spent about 30 to 45 mins just talking about internet and the policy or as you all say policing, bassically the cop wants to bring in a Senior Administrator, I thought great someone to take all the problem when they occour but no he would be there to check up on people, to see what people are doing bassically to spy on people checking the website they have visited, not just basic users but the administrators aswell and to him it seemed like a good idea and would cover all asspects if it came to there being a problem with the police, I got abit annoyed at this point as i was saying why put your administrators in place just to check up on them? but this ex cop didn&#039;t see it that way even today i get a little annoyed thinking that if i was a administrator to know that someone else would be coming to see if id been on porn or other things that im not ment to. 

I suppose what im trying to say is has anyone else delt with someone like this and what can i do to show him that policing the computers and spying on people isn&#039;t a good corse of action. 

Also this &#039;senior administrator&#039; wouldn&#039;t be someone as myself or the other chap whos knowlegable but it would be himself or another decon within the church, i know exactly what would happen they would attempt the log onto the server to check thing do something wrong and id get the phone call to come fix the problem.

the only way i can see around this is just turning round and saying I do not agree with the policy that you are going to bring in either this is rethought or i don&#039;t put the system in or i will seek the advice of a lawer before i take this any further. OR to bring in an internet filter and i know that these can be rather expensive £1000 plus.

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE can someone help me i don&#039;t know if im just over reacting a little or not. advice and yea prayers would be helpful

Thanks Neil</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had a meeting last night with a decon(and ex cop) of my church another guy who has knowledge network systems and internet, an older guy about 75 has no idea of networking and internet but made sure he had his say and one other guy who just kept quiet, and myself I have a decent amount of knowledge not loads so help would be great.</p>
<p>Now the problem I have is that the decon (the cop) is very legal and looks into things to much, and we spent about 30 to 45 mins just talking about internet and the policy or as you all say policing, bassically the cop wants to bring in a Senior Administrator, I thought great someone to take all the problem when they occour but no he would be there to check up on people, to see what people are doing bassically to spy on people checking the website they have visited, not just basic users but the administrators aswell and to him it seemed like a good idea and would cover all asspects if it came to there being a problem with the police, I got abit annoyed at this point as i was saying why put your administrators in place just to check up on them? but this ex cop didn&#8217;t see it that way even today i get a little annoyed thinking that if i was a administrator to know that someone else would be coming to see if id been on porn or other things that im not ment to. </p>
<p>I suppose what im trying to say is has anyone else delt with someone like this and what can i do to show him that policing the computers and spying on people isn&#8217;t a good corse of action. </p>
<p>Also this &#8216;senior administrator&#8217; wouldn&#8217;t be someone as myself or the other chap whos knowlegable but it would be himself or another decon within the church, i know exactly what would happen they would attempt the log onto the server to check thing do something wrong and id get the phone call to come fix the problem.</p>
<p>the only way i can see around this is just turning round and saying I do not agree with the policy that you are going to bring in either this is rethought or i don&#8217;t put the system in or i will seek the advice of a lawer before i take this any further. OR to bring in an internet filter and i know that these can be rather expensive £1000 plus.</p>
<p>PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE can someone help me i don&#8217;t know if im just over reacting a little or not. advice and yea prayers would be helpful</p>
<p>Thanks Neil</p>
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		<title>By: Stuart</title>
		<link>http://www.churchtechy.com/2008/06/internet-policy/comment-page-1/#comment-26</link>
		<dc:creator>Stuart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 21:33:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Jim - SANS has always been a good place for most things security related and is somewhere I have spent a great deal of my professional life but somehow forget it when working on Church stuff!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Jim &#8211; SANS has always been a good place for most things security related and is somewhere I have spent a great deal of my professional life but somehow forget it when working on Church stuff!</p>
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		<title>By: Stuart</title>
		<link>http://www.churchtechy.com/2008/06/internet-policy/comment-page-1/#comment-20</link>
		<dc:creator>Stuart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 00:23:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the link Cindy - I love the personalised usage of the policies such as &quot;if you use x&#039;s PC then Y&quot;

I think you  hit the issue on the head - trust is the key word and not the inherent suspicion that a staff handbook dishes out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the link Cindy &#8211; I love the personalised usage of the policies such as &#8220;if you use x&#8217;s PC then Y&#8221;</p>
<p>I think you  hit the issue on the head &#8211; trust is the key word and not the inherent suspicion that a staff handbook dishes out.</p>
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		<title>By: CindyK</title>
		<link>http://www.churchtechy.com/2008/06/internet-policy/comment-page-1/#comment-16</link>
		<dc:creator>CindyK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 18:29:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m going through the same process as you are, and I&#039;ve so far I&#039;ve gotten three policies approved.  You can find them on my in-house IT site that I&#039;ve opened so you can take a look at it.

The policies are located here:

http://sites.google.com/a/allisonparkchurch.com/apc-tech-info/Home/policies---acceptable-use

I tend to use a very gentle approach.  The first policy I wanted to work on was the Laptop use policy.  I found Liberty University&#039;s policy on line and I used that as a basis for our own.  Because of that, it is the most &#039;legal&#039; sounding document.

It is very important to me that these policies reflect only trust for other staff members.  I suppose they are more educational in nature than they are &#039;legal&#039;.

I&#039;m still working on others and would appreciate any input as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m going through the same process as you are, and I&#8217;ve so far I&#8217;ve gotten three policies approved.  You can find them on my in-house IT site that I&#8217;ve opened so you can take a look at it.</p>
<p>The policies are located here:</p>
<p><a href="http://sites.google.com/a/allisonparkchurch.com/apc-tech-info/Home/policies---acceptable-use">http://sites.google.com/a/allisonparkchurch.com/apc-tech-info/Home/policies&#8212;acceptable-use</a></p>
<p>I tend to use a very gentle approach.  The first policy I wanted to work on was the Laptop use policy.  I found Liberty University&#8217;s policy on line and I used that as a basis for our own.  Because of that, it is the most &#8216;legal&#8217; sounding document.</p>
<p>It is very important to me that these policies reflect only trust for other staff members.  I suppose they are more educational in nature than they are &#8216;legal&#8217;.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m still working on others and would appreciate any input as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim H</title>
		<link>http://www.churchtechy.com/2008/06/internet-policy/comment-page-1/#comment-15</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 18:19:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can appreciate your situation. I would recommend that you create a policy that provides at least general rules on Internet/computer usage and then when the right time arrives, your ready with your policy. Maybe start using it when new employees or volunteers start. Post it on your internal Web Site/Intranet.

There&#039;s lots of places to get policies from and taking someone else&#039;s still requires a good review and minor changes. 

We didn&#039;t get support for policies until an outside management review was done. 

The SANS Institute is an excellent place to start:
http://www.sans.org/resources/policies/#template

Jim</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can appreciate your situation. I would recommend that you create a policy that provides at least general rules on Internet/computer usage and then when the right time arrives, your ready with your policy. Maybe start using it when new employees or volunteers start. Post it on your internal Web Site/Intranet.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s lots of places to get policies from and taking someone else&#8217;s still requires a good review and minor changes. </p>
<p>We didn&#8217;t get support for policies until an outside management review was done. </p>
<p>The SANS Institute is an excellent place to start:<br />
<a href="http://www.sans.org/resources/policies/#template">http://www.sans.org/resources/policies/#template</a></p>
<p>Jim</p>
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